[kaiserb]

Originally Posted by JIM QUILICI

This could not have been said any better unless I said it myself. LOL
Right on.

JUST OLD JIM

Jim and Ash,

If this is true then a book author gives up thier rights to the contents of a book when they sell it.

In that case I have a Jeff Phares book I bought a few years back. I think I will take a Sharpie Marker and write my name in as the author and sell it...after all, Jeff Phares gave up his rights to the book when he sold it to me.

[kaiserb]

Originally Posted by JIM QUILICI

I see what the problem is here,

we have two different views, I heard a story once , A loung man was walking along a creek bank with his 22 shooting frogs. one was having fun the other was fighting for his life. here we have some of us carving for fun. the other is fighting to make a living.
I,m having fun.

There may be two different relative views but it does not change facts...In your example there are still two boys shooting frogs.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.� So said John Adams

[Kenny_S]

Roughouts and blanks are a little different than books!
Rossitter's sell Roughouts and use to sell blanks of carving from other people. Thos who carved them has given Rossitters the right to make roughouts.
Now, if you carve an item and have roughouts made from it, you have several options,
1, have the roughouter make roughouts only for you.

2, Give them the right to make more roughouts for them to set(Rossitters)

Do I use roughouts? Yes
Do I use blanks? Yes
I also cut my own blanks out of original ideas. Do I care if someone else wants to use my idea? NO Why? Life is way to short to worry about it. If you want to copyright your work, Fine, If you don't, Fine.


It is an old topic that will never be settle here or anywhere else.
JMHO
best to all of you.
I am out of here for a few weeks. CIAO

[JIM QUILICI]

I don't understand everything I know about this discussion,

Are you trying to tell me I can not make a carving of a pattern I find in wood carving Ill. because I am infringing on somebody right. why do they even put it in there for ,just to look at, bull. somebody is taking all the fun out of carving. I dont know what carving shows you go to ( but what is shown in chit chats) but I would say 75%of every thing in there is a copy of someone else work or patterns Ive seen in other books . what are we going to do sue them all and stop all wood carvings because someone is afraid someone might copy their work . get a life. carve and have fun.

Just old Jim

[Ashbys]

Brian,

Lets say someone take a 2x2 square piece of wood, and carves a tree. Copyrights the finish product. Then sells his blanks which happen to be a 2x2 piece of wood. Just because someone changes the 2x2 into something other than a tree does not make a copyright derivative. Because the blank is not what was copyrighted.
However if they make the tree and add an apple then they have made a derivative.


Jim,
I agree, and I think most people know that is something is enjoyed it will be copied. I do know that the patterns in WCI do have a set number on the ammount they are to be photocopied. But I did not see a restriction on the number of times the photocopy could be used in making a carving. So there is an implied consent to reproduced carvings.

But if it is a picture of a carving, bird or person, WCI received permission to print the photo, but there has been no permission given to reproduce the photo, nor to reproduce the carving.

These are just opinions, as for my work, I remember someone once said the greatest compliment a person can have is to be copied for his work. But just because it is copied , doesn't make it mine.

Ash

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

carve what you like, and use whatever pattern is available to use, and also use roughouts....if you sell them...tell the people what you used and where it came from......no problem! Anyone that knows anything about anything, knows that just a pattern doesn't make a carving....you still did the carving!

[papasar]

Winter will be here before you know it. At first snowfall I might make a snowman with my grandkids. I guess I have to make him original. How will I know he is original? Maybe I better not risk it!
Bill K.

[wade clark]

I happen to have the copyright on the snowman so Just stick $5 in the mail to me and you have my permission to build all you want of them! I also copyrighted NOT BUILDING A SNOWMAN, so stick that $5 in the mail in either case!
Wade

[Just Carving]

Okay everybody--no more building snowmen. From now on, we build snowWOMEN. And everybody knows, there are no two women alike. Thus, you can't copyright 'em. So thar, Mr. Smarty Pants!!

Bob

[wade clark]

You know, I tried to copyright snowWOMEN and that's exactly what they told me!
Wade