[lookingforyou]

hello all, new here ,and have read many times over and over advice against sets, well not sure if i am part of that club, limited budget seems to point to sets.qeustion is what do you think of these sets eBay item 8192057978 (Ends May-19-05 20:43:02 PDT) - PFEIL SWISS MADE 18 PC. "D" CARVING TOOL SET W MALLET

D1/8 8mm Chisel.

D1S/8 8mm Skew
D2/12 #2 12mm Gouge
D5/3 #5 3mm Gouge
D5/8 #5 8mm Gouge
D5/12 #5 12mm Gouge
D7/4 #7 4mm Gouge
D7L/10 #7 10mm Long Bent Gouge
D7/14 #7 14mm Gouge
D8/7 #8 7mm Gouge
D8A/7 #8 7mm Spoon Gouge
D8/10 #8 10mm Gouge
D9/5 #9 5mm Gouge
D9/10 10mm Gouge
D11/1 #11 1mm Veiner
D11/3 #11 3mm Veiner
D12/2 #12 2mm V-parting Tool
D12/8 #12 8mm V-Parting Tool
Tool Roll
12 oz. Urethane Coated Mallet
this for 300
this is 300 dollars

the second set is MMountain Heritage Crafters MHC Best Value... MC100 - Flexcut (10 piece) 10" Mallet Tools - Deluxe Set.
Handcrafted with the same long lasting Flexcut razor edge, and the new ash handles can be driven with a mallet or by hand.
This ten piece set includes the MC203, MC403, MC505, MC307, MC309, MC211, MC311, MC511, MC245, and the MC460 this set is $200

i currently hae the 11 peice travel palm set from flexcut and enjoy them, have a little experince with the swiss made palm tools, like the flexcut a bit better.

i plan to do both relief and in the round carving.If you were to get a set which do you think would best suit my needs.

thanks for your input.
look

[squbrigg]

Both are good quality sets, but for different types of carving, or more accurately, different types of wood. Flexcut are wonderful when used on softer woods, like Pine, Basswood, Butternut, Walnut, and soft Mahogany. They have a thin flexable blade and slight spring to them when you use them.

The Pfeil tool set is better for harder woods, Cherry, Maple, hard Mahogany, but can also be sharpened to do a wonderful job on the softer woods too. It all depend on the way they are sharpened, low bevel softer wood, higher bevel, harder wood. Pfeil are not palm tools, they are full sized or European length tools, they have a thicker more rigid blade and are very good quality.

I'd say that of the two sets, the Pfeil are more versatile, in that you can use them for both types of wood, with some re-sharpening work. Both sets are good quality and quite useful, and both will work in relief carving or the round. It really depends on the wood you plan to use.

Hope this is helpful. Good luck.

Bob

[Plain_Ol_Ed]

Ditto what Bob said.

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

I would check woodcraft , MHC and a google search for folks that sell those tools before buying on ebay....preferably, talk to Rick first!

[Kenny_S]

I would check with Rick at Littleshavers. You will not go wrong with his advice or doing buisness with him.
I agree with Bob that those sets ARE FOR different woods hardness. I use Flexcuts for the softer woods with a few other brands but mainly Flexcuts.
Again, best bet since you are new to the carving world is RICK!
BTW, Welcome to a fantastic board.

[mdallensr]

The Pfeil "D" set is the shorter, European length tool. Still good, but not the choice of many for mallet tools. They also sell the full size Pfeil sets of 12 toosl on ebay. There are a couple of seller in Canada (and at least one sells through ebay), and they seem to have much better prices than the U.S. dealers. KMS tools is one you might try. A simliar 18 piece intermediate set at Woodcraft is $450.

[big_Wayne_P]

I also have the 11 piece Flexcut set
i put handls on each of them and like them better with the handls i added

If you are looking for Pfeil check with KMS
http://www.kmstools.com/scripts/prod...?64&2%3C-%3E63

another good supplier of tools is
http://thewoodcraftshop.com/ I know he carries Henry Taylor and others

also might check with Rick at Little Shavers
he has a great line of tools
http://www.littleshavers.com/index.html

another good supplier is up in Canada good prieces enen after the shipping
http://www.woodcarvingstore.com/

I would buy from a reputable dealer rather than off EBay
that way if you have any problems the dealer you buy from
will takke care of it

Wood craft does carry some excellent tools but their prices are much higher than other suppliers
I have links saved to quite a few suppliers
will glad to email them to you
just let me know
bigwaynep51@aol.com

[big_Wayne_P]

Just for curiosity
under what category did you find those pfeis listed on Ebay
I clicked on the link and saw them

but I also usuall look on Ebay a couple of times a week
under wood carving tools
when i looked under wood carving tools did not see them listed

[Old_Gord]

Originally Posted by big_Wayne_P

Just for curiosity
under what category did you find those pfeis listed on Ebay
I clicked on the link and saw them

but I also usuall look on Ebay a couple of times a week
under wood carving tools
when i looked under wood carving tools did not see them listed

Well if you "clicked on the link and saw them" you could look at the top of the page, the e-Bay area they are listed in is there.

OG

[rales]

hey, Lookingforyou

If you are set on getting a set (8-10") you can't beat the Pheil Indertmediate set you mentioned... all of those are very good tools and I , personally, love the shorter (8") length (compared to the 10-12" full size). Yes, there will be a few you will never use ...but at that price it's worth it. If you decide you need some larger tools... then consider the individual Flex mallets or Pheil large tools.

I guarantee you will love the Pheils. The Flexcuts are not quite as durable as far as holding the edge - however, their palm tools definately are very desirable for detail/character carving... but the Pheils hold their own there also...

good luck, rales